I also shared your frustration when talking to the Trump cultists. I was a huge fan in 2016, donated, bet on him, max supported and was as fervent a fan as possible. I was even hugely forgiving in the first couple years until the grift and his (((advisors))) became so utterly ridiculous i couldn't hide it anymore. Yet it was impossible to even slightly convince my Trump friends this was a con.
The only consolation is that on a personal level, even to this day, Trump fans are still vastly preferable people to hang out with vice liberals.
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There is no winning over ardent partisan normies but I find I can nudge people towards sanity and I think that is useful.
This only works on people who basically get that the government and media are liars and see through more than one hoax.
There are plenty of middle of the road normies who allow themselves to get that one narrative is a hoax. This allows them to proudly think they are an independent thinker but it is just a cope. They are ardent believers in all the other hoaxes and do not want to be seen as a bad person by the establishment left.
A much smaller number see through two hoaxes. They default to first believing in the new thing but can be made to see it as just another hoax. Over time they are able to see more clearly what is going on. Some will even grapple with the Torah Question but cannot comfortably embrace it.
[T]he peasants have demonstrated time and again that they do not possess any discernment skills whatsoever. They can, however, cheer for “their” team, and that is what discourse has come to resemble now: two sides of the bleachers heckling each other in between plays and penalties.'
I think this is an accurate assessment, except I object to blaming the peasants for having a ruling class that hates them and that spends enormous resources on professional liars to lie to them.
On the other hand, the peasants seem to be engaging in the only form of protest that remains at their disposal without the asset of solidarity and effective leadership: Turning away.
Every year, a smaller percentage of ordinary people engage with mass media and the 'culture industry'. The oligarchs cannot monetize indifference and no matter how much they exploit apathy, it doesn't make ordinary people any less apathetic about the oligarch's agendas.
'[T]ruth doesn’t really matter to most people, only team spirit.'
Yes.
'I have more compassion for the people who didn’t fall for the hoax and who didn’t want war with Russia, but who got taken along for the ride because of nefarious elites and their retarded neighbors going along with the agenda.'
At root, selective (or prioritized) compassion is the relevant coin of any future politics. If you want all the goodies, you need to be on my side. If you're not on my side, you get lip service. And not the fun kind.
'Everything is framed in terms of morality and then the peasants dutifully take sides, pick teams, rally behind their mascots and so on. It is their moral duty to do so after all. Only bad people don’t care about the plight of … whoever/whatever.'
Welcome to the Spectacle, where every policy is framed like a setup for a Mexican wrestling match...but less amusing.
Mar 1, 2023·edited Mar 1, 2023Liked by Rurik Skywalker
Against all evidence, I cling desperately to the belief that it matters what I think. I refuse to accept that I'm some peasant that no politician cares about. Otherwise, why would I read blogs like this?
"Everywhere you look, global warming, veganism, tattoos on women - all social agendas designed to drive wedges between people by getting them to pick sides and set themselves against others. In our society, you can pick skins or shirts, but you cannot point out that the emperor has no clothes."
As a scientist, I'm used to entertaining multiple hypotheses or "sides", with my trust in any of them vacillating continuously depending on what evidence arises. I conclude very little, so my politics is on the tepid side (though not my sense of justice).
So, for instance, I can admit that Wagner has Nazi roots without concluding that it's morally equivalent to Azov. Going further, I really need to think about distinguishing between different kinds of Nazis before forming a clear opinion, and must compare both to Antifa for a sense of where they fall on the scale separating good from evil.
Trump? I saw him as a log-in-the-roadway of the juggernaut of globalism; he did some good things, some bad, but mostly he was a weak president with a platform frustrated by media-induced mass hysteria. The propaganda had to be taken seriously, but the politics was laughable, as well as insane.
I think if you want to reduce it to the core issues, it is not only hoaxes, but outright lie and childish base assumption never questioned.
Example "we are all equal", it is obvious lie, but the system "world" has this as a fundamental assumption. In fact, it can only work as long as this lie is believed.
I could go on and on about the deep implications and consequences of ridiculous basic assumption by this childish system "the world", also called "the international community".
Evolution, atomism, relativity, quantum, "viruses", on and on goes the cultish nonsense.
If Trump was paddling on flat water, as opposed to up stream against white water, I would agree. I wasn't a fan of his in 2016 but I voted for him, considering the option. As far as I'm concerned he was the best President in at least the last 50 years. Not because he was exceptional, but because all the others were pathetic scum!
I agree for the most part with this post. However, Trump did not provoke the Ukraine War like Biden did. Trump also took down Doe vs Wade. Trump was removed because he did not want the war. There are differences. If Trump was not elected Doe vs. Wade would still be the law.
Your analogy is flawed. You're wrong about Trump, and the wall. Where the wall is complete, it is an effective component in the toolbox of border control. Where the wall is incomplete it is largely due to the extraordinary resistance and lawfare employed by opponents to delay/stop construction. Border security entails far more than a physical barrier, it requires the will to legally enforce existing law and all of the law's penalties. Without the consequences of legal enforcement and penalty, no physical barrier extending more than 2,000 miles is impenetrable.
(And consider: Without the advent of Trump, politically, it's unlikely we'd be having any conversations about any of these subjects at all.)
Scott Adams' use of the 'Socratic method' for a teachable-moment was, I think, a brilliant stroke. So brilliant, in fact, that we have heard remarkably little about it from the woke Left who desperately want to avoid debating it, preferring - as they always do - shrieking, wailing and pointing.
Ron DeSantis as governor is really cracking down on the liberals. OK, maybe as president he will change, but as Governor he is actually doing something. The Governor is also negative on helping the Ukraine. DeSantis really took over all of Disney's government power and is filling the college governing boards with conservatives.
You might think: "Look, a post by gullible peasant!" but as governor DeSantis has done a lot. Laura Loomer has pointed out how he is not as great as people think, and I agree, but his accomplishments still stand.
"But, basically, the ideal political system is one that doesn’t constantly try to hoax the peasants into doing something stupid all the time. There will still be politics and struggle, sure, but the peasants won’t don jerseys and fight each other on the street after the game."
If the scoundrels would just leave us alone... Unfortunately, doing that would prevent these megalomanic Grubbies from extracting all peasant wealth and inhibit them from micromanaging every aspect of peasant life. That's a no-no in the upcoming neofeudal technocratic surveillance state.
The US and most of the worlds countries are about to give away their sovereignity to the WHO....that's the final nail in the coffin....even the good old US of A will be just another turd world country once this goes through....James Rogulski of substack https://jamesroguski.substack.com/ has tirelessly been covering this story which is largely happening behind the scenes while the slow motion war rages in Ukraine, et al and world citizens are kept scared by the daily news and idle threats from both Putin and the West....(let's hope their idle)
you should post a bitcoin and lightning address for people to somewhat-anonymously donate too.
Oh, and not to blow up this thread via bitcoin, but whether it's pure hopium or not, the central thesis is in fact to let people be left alone, at least those smart enough to self custody their own bitcoin.
All of what you write is obvious...the one who pay for the campaign control the politicians.
Trump has been "kasherised" long time ago..
In the 1990s he was bankrupt, Wilburg Ross lent him the money to survive in behalf of the Rothschilds. At the time Ross was the Rotshchild representative in the US.
Serfdom is a thing. An indelible thing, probably of ancient providence. This is a horrible denouement to have to admit of oneself, of one's people and family. Talk about illiberality. The Enlightenment was a cruel joke --peasants dressed for a moment in time in the raiment of self-sovereignty.
In this dawning age of 3D printing, robotics and AI, the utilitarian value of serfs is plummeting. We are being euthanized en masse. What's so grimly fascinating about the serf mentality is it satisfaction with sussing the truth, talking amongst our fellow cognoscenti, but never attempting much more than that. There is an electric fence surrounding the gate to the paddock. Our innate sense of inferiority supplies the voltage.
It's a deeply inculcated, class identity.
We hope to be recognized somehow by our masters for how clever we are, as though such recognition should mark us for anything other than expedited euthanasia. There are no external kudos or rewards. The best dissidents seem always to be appealing to an invisible (but ultimately impervious or indifferent) teacher or guardian.
Whereas they seem convinced of their innate nobility. Impudence? Arrogance? Or something more? Perhaps there's something to this bloodline stuff that should garner more than our reflexive disdain? Though never a disdain of such primal force that we cannot help but hunt them down for their off-the-scale hubris.
Freedom should be its own reward; however, a permissioned freedom (recognition from above) is all that we seek. For years, I've referred to us as the Disorganized Masses. (See 2015's long essay in book form 'East-West Dialectics, Currency Resets & the Convergent Power of One')
Our psyches are branded. We are serfs, earmarked for even greater predations in the future, since the marginal cost of our allegiance has become too prohibitive to retain, even as a boy might keep pet spiders for the absent fun of pulling off their legs; only to discard the spiders summarily when a barrel of exotic snakes is placed in his midst. New toys!
The elites have transhumanism to look forward to, settling the universe in their image. We bore them. They've pulled our legs long enough.
I also shared your frustration when talking to the Trump cultists. I was a huge fan in 2016, donated, bet on him, max supported and was as fervent a fan as possible. I was even hugely forgiving in the first couple years until the grift and his (((advisors))) became so utterly ridiculous i couldn't hide it anymore. Yet it was impossible to even slightly convince my Trump friends this was a con.
The only consolation is that on a personal level, even to this day, Trump fans are still vastly preferable people to hang out with vice liberals.
There is no winning over ardent partisan normies but I find I can nudge people towards sanity and I think that is useful.
This only works on people who basically get that the government and media are liars and see through more than one hoax.
There are plenty of middle of the road normies who allow themselves to get that one narrative is a hoax. This allows them to proudly think they are an independent thinker but it is just a cope. They are ardent believers in all the other hoaxes and do not want to be seen as a bad person by the establishment left.
A much smaller number see through two hoaxes. They default to first believing in the new thing but can be made to see it as just another hoax. Over time they are able to see more clearly what is going on. Some will even grapple with the Torah Question but cannot comfortably embrace it.
[T]he peasants have demonstrated time and again that they do not possess any discernment skills whatsoever. They can, however, cheer for “their” team, and that is what discourse has come to resemble now: two sides of the bleachers heckling each other in between plays and penalties.'
I think this is an accurate assessment, except I object to blaming the peasants for having a ruling class that hates them and that spends enormous resources on professional liars to lie to them.
On the other hand, the peasants seem to be engaging in the only form of protest that remains at their disposal without the asset of solidarity and effective leadership: Turning away.
Every year, a smaller percentage of ordinary people engage with mass media and the 'culture industry'. The oligarchs cannot monetize indifference and no matter how much they exploit apathy, it doesn't make ordinary people any less apathetic about the oligarch's agendas.
'[T]ruth doesn’t really matter to most people, only team spirit.'
Yes.
'I have more compassion for the people who didn’t fall for the hoax and who didn’t want war with Russia, but who got taken along for the ride because of nefarious elites and their retarded neighbors going along with the agenda.'
At root, selective (or prioritized) compassion is the relevant coin of any future politics. If you want all the goodies, you need to be on my side. If you're not on my side, you get lip service. And not the fun kind.
'Everything is framed in terms of morality and then the peasants dutifully take sides, pick teams, rally behind their mascots and so on. It is their moral duty to do so after all. Only bad people don’t care about the plight of … whoever/whatever.'
Welcome to the Spectacle, where every policy is framed like a setup for a Mexican wrestling match...but less amusing.
Against all evidence, I cling desperately to the belief that it matters what I think. I refuse to accept that I'm some peasant that no politician cares about. Otherwise, why would I read blogs like this?
"Everywhere you look, global warming, veganism, tattoos on women - all social agendas designed to drive wedges between people by getting them to pick sides and set themselves against others. In our society, you can pick skins or shirts, but you cannot point out that the emperor has no clothes."
As a scientist, I'm used to entertaining multiple hypotheses or "sides", with my trust in any of them vacillating continuously depending on what evidence arises. I conclude very little, so my politics is on the tepid side (though not my sense of justice).
So, for instance, I can admit that Wagner has Nazi roots without concluding that it's morally equivalent to Azov. Going further, I really need to think about distinguishing between different kinds of Nazis before forming a clear opinion, and must compare both to Antifa for a sense of where they fall on the scale separating good from evil.
Trump? I saw him as a log-in-the-roadway of the juggernaut of globalism; he did some good things, some bad, but mostly he was a weak president with a platform frustrated by media-induced mass hysteria. The propaganda had to be taken seriously, but the politics was laughable, as well as insane.
I think if you want to reduce it to the core issues, it is not only hoaxes, but outright lie and childish base assumption never questioned.
Example "we are all equal", it is obvious lie, but the system "world" has this as a fundamental assumption. In fact, it can only work as long as this lie is believed.
I could go on and on about the deep implications and consequences of ridiculous basic assumption by this childish system "the world", also called "the international community".
Evolution, atomism, relativity, quantum, "viruses", on and on goes the cultish nonsense.
If Trump was paddling on flat water, as opposed to up stream against white water, I would agree. I wasn't a fan of his in 2016 but I voted for him, considering the option. As far as I'm concerned he was the best President in at least the last 50 years. Not because he was exceptional, but because all the others were pathetic scum!
I agree for the most part with this post. However, Trump did not provoke the Ukraine War like Biden did. Trump also took down Doe vs Wade. Trump was removed because he did not want the war. There are differences. If Trump was not elected Doe vs. Wade would still be the law.
Jeder für sich und Gott gegen alle.
Your analogy is flawed. You're wrong about Trump, and the wall. Where the wall is complete, it is an effective component in the toolbox of border control. Where the wall is incomplete it is largely due to the extraordinary resistance and lawfare employed by opponents to delay/stop construction. Border security entails far more than a physical barrier, it requires the will to legally enforce existing law and all of the law's penalties. Without the consequences of legal enforcement and penalty, no physical barrier extending more than 2,000 miles is impenetrable.
(And consider: Without the advent of Trump, politically, it's unlikely we'd be having any conversations about any of these subjects at all.)
Scott Adams' use of the 'Socratic method' for a teachable-moment was, I think, a brilliant stroke. So brilliant, in fact, that we have heard remarkably little about it from the woke Left who desperately want to avoid debating it, preferring - as they always do - shrieking, wailing and pointing.
Ron DeSantis as governor is really cracking down on the liberals. OK, maybe as president he will change, but as Governor he is actually doing something. The Governor is also negative on helping the Ukraine. DeSantis really took over all of Disney's government power and is filling the college governing boards with conservatives.
You might think: "Look, a post by gullible peasant!" but as governor DeSantis has done a lot. Laura Loomer has pointed out how he is not as great as people think, and I agree, but his accomplishments still stand.
"But, basically, the ideal political system is one that doesn’t constantly try to hoax the peasants into doing something stupid all the time. There will still be politics and struggle, sure, but the peasants won’t don jerseys and fight each other on the street after the game."
If the scoundrels would just leave us alone... Unfortunately, doing that would prevent these megalomanic Grubbies from extracting all peasant wealth and inhibit them from micromanaging every aspect of peasant life. That's a no-no in the upcoming neofeudal technocratic surveillance state.
The US and most of the worlds countries are about to give away their sovereignity to the WHO....that's the final nail in the coffin....even the good old US of A will be just another turd world country once this goes through....James Rogulski of substack https://jamesroguski.substack.com/ has tirelessly been covering this story which is largely happening behind the scenes while the slow motion war rages in Ukraine, et al and world citizens are kept scared by the daily news and idle threats from both Putin and the West....(let's hope their idle)
you should post a bitcoin and lightning address for people to somewhat-anonymously donate too.
Oh, and not to blow up this thread via bitcoin, but whether it's pure hopium or not, the central thesis is in fact to let people be left alone, at least those smart enough to self custody their own bitcoin.
All of what you write is obvious...the one who pay for the campaign control the politicians.
Trump has been "kasherised" long time ago..
In the 1990s he was bankrupt, Wilburg Ross lent him the money to survive in behalf of the Rothschilds. At the time Ross was the Rotshchild representative in the US.
Surprised?🤣
Serfdom is a thing. An indelible thing, probably of ancient providence. This is a horrible denouement to have to admit of oneself, of one's people and family. Talk about illiberality. The Enlightenment was a cruel joke --peasants dressed for a moment in time in the raiment of self-sovereignty.
In this dawning age of 3D printing, robotics and AI, the utilitarian value of serfs is plummeting. We are being euthanized en masse. What's so grimly fascinating about the serf mentality is it satisfaction with sussing the truth, talking amongst our fellow cognoscenti, but never attempting much more than that. There is an electric fence surrounding the gate to the paddock. Our innate sense of inferiority supplies the voltage.
It's a deeply inculcated, class identity.
We hope to be recognized somehow by our masters for how clever we are, as though such recognition should mark us for anything other than expedited euthanasia. There are no external kudos or rewards. The best dissidents seem always to be appealing to an invisible (but ultimately impervious or indifferent) teacher or guardian.
Whereas they seem convinced of their innate nobility. Impudence? Arrogance? Or something more? Perhaps there's something to this bloodline stuff that should garner more than our reflexive disdain? Though never a disdain of such primal force that we cannot help but hunt them down for their off-the-scale hubris.
Freedom should be its own reward; however, a permissioned freedom (recognition from above) is all that we seek. For years, I've referred to us as the Disorganized Masses. (See 2015's long essay in book form 'East-West Dialectics, Currency Resets & the Convergent Power of One')
Our psyches are branded. We are serfs, earmarked for even greater predations in the future, since the marginal cost of our allegiance has become too prohibitive to retain, even as a boy might keep pet spiders for the absent fun of pulling off their legs; only to discard the spiders summarily when a barrel of exotic snakes is placed in his midst. New toys!
The elites have transhumanism to look forward to, settling the universe in their image. We bore them. They've pulled our legs long enough.