SOTT's Harrison Koehli returns! [Demons in the Higher Spheres, The Warnings of the Learned Mystics, The Hollowing Out of Religion, Spiritual Rebellions and Their Consequences, etc.]
Great discussion! I've always been suspicious about people's enthusiasm with spiritual encounters seeing as we have no guarantee whether your experience is a good or bad thing. I've definitely seen demons myself. While I think the Catholic church and Protestant churches are justified in mostly condemning non-sanctioned spiritual practices, it's been standard in Christianity for so long now people have forgotten why these things are prohibited in the first place which means they really have no way of convincing people they shouldn't go on DMT drug trips.
Quick note on Tibet, you're right in that they were a people that embraced a truly demonic spiritual worldview. On a material level the lamas were the head of an oppressive theocracy that enslaved >90% of the population. They employed torture, decapitations of limbs and some say even cannibalism. The peaceful "shangri-la" image of Tibet comes from anti-China US government propaganda. However shangri-la is a real place and was an awful, brutal place. The current Dali lama had thousands of slaves and thousands of pounds of silver and gold while the rest of the population was near starvation. Tibetan bhuddism is highly romanticized and should be avoided spirituality.
Rolo, could you do a column or podcast delving more deeply into Marcion's arguments? I find myself suspicious of any church after my experiences with the Evangelical movement. Your metaphysical arguments have challenged many of my beliefs and confirmed suspicions that I have held for a long time. Watching people "slain in the spriit" or speaking tongues made me really uncomfortable, like goosebumps, skin crawling, and wanting to flee from the room. People should tread lightly into these "higher dimensions." The schizophrenia of the Old Testament YHWH and New Testament merciful loving God who identifies with us through Christ has always bothered me. How can an infallible, omnipotent, and omniscient "god" suddenly change completely.
I don't have a lot of solid data to add to this discussion. But I think it's worth putting my two cents in...
My understanding of why so much magical/mystical teaching and writing is "coded into art" or difficult to understand is that these subjects have almost always been illegal on Earth. Thus, a certain amount of the warnings contained in conventional religions about magic and mysticism stem simply from a dogmatic belief that they are dangerous.
There is a strong reason to believe that this sense of the dangerousness of spiritual pursuits is "built in" to the psyche of most of us, often to the extent that approaching these subjects too closely will result in bad physical reactions.
However, with the help of a few people who have broken through this psychic barrier, we can obtain some simpler understandings of how all this came about.
For me, and for many who have either experienced it or believe those who have, is that the psyche is the carrier of both the personality and the mind, and is separable from the body.
When a "spiritual being" operates without a body, it often cannot be detected by those who have beceome trapped in bodies and identify as bodies, and not as spiritual beings. Can you imagine, then, how frightening such a bodiless (or "free") being would be to an individual or group that only know themselves as bodies? They did, in fact, using electronics and similar technologies, develop ways to trap "free" beings and force them into bodies. That is the situation we have now on Earth.
From the viewpoint of a society composed of "free" beings, a lot of considerations about "good" and "bad" fall away. I think we can consider that a spectrum of behaviors and attitudes from "bad" to "good" exists regardless of the spiritual condition of a society.
The viewpoint of a society composed of "meat bodies" (like ours) forces us to take "good" and "bad" very seriously, because murdering a body becomes "bad" and protecting a body becomes "good." In such a society, "spiritual" experiences become suspect if not actually seen as dangerous to the survival of the group. We should keep in mind that such attitides still exist and are very strong, even though we consider ourselves "modern" because we no longer burn witches.
A very wide variety of "spiritual" experiences is possible. What is a "higher reality" beyond simply recognizing that we are spiritual beings and can remember our past life experiences? What are "higher abilities" beyond the ability to separate from the body at will, or operate without one entirely, or communicate telepathically with animals?
Is does help, I think, to understand the situation if one is aware of the full range of spiritual experience that has already been discovered and put into use on Earth. There are many people who DO communicate telepathically with animals. There are many people who DO leave their bodies and "fly around." There are many people who DO practice remote viewing with the result that several seriously important "government secrets" have been blown apart.
Can you imagine how threatened the Earthly power structure feels about these developments? What would they do to reverse this trend? Who would they be willing to cooperate with to achieve this?
Thus, when you go there you WILL BE fought, either directly or indirectly using "guilt by association" or other techniques.
Sheldrake and many others are trying to jump across rocks sticking out of a rushing river in the hopes that they will get across. Many fall in and are swept away. Who has taken the time and effort to "build a bridge" across that river so that many could eventually cross it? I only know of Hubbard. There may be others.
The "universal mind" is an interesting phenomenon that is used by remote viewers and possibly many others. It doesn't mean we are "really all one." But it does mean that we are much more connected than we realize we are. And indeed, there are those who can remember back to a time when we WERE "all one." But that was so long ago that its relevance is solving today's problems is questionable.
One "solution" for understanding evil (or at least psychopathy) lies in the field of past lives and the phenomenon of the collective fear of free beings, or even just powerful beings. I dedicated this lifetime to obtaining a better understanding of human violence and how to handle it. I feel very lucky that I achieved that goal, even if only intellectually. I wish many more would join me!
interesting about the person who was depressed due to a family member having been a nazi officer.... had the germans won wwii.... wouldn't have been this depression... another example of the power of war propaganda and the damage of its extended use.... a cost we can't measure
interesting about the person who was depressed due to a family member having been a nazi officer.... had the germans won wwii.... wouldn't have been this depression... another example of the power of war propaganda and the damage of its extended use.... a cost we can't measure
As honorable ambassador of french wing of Slavland, I strongly condemn the satanic use of podcast. especially without possibilities of subtites (contrary to youtube video).
Great discussion! I've always been suspicious about people's enthusiasm with spiritual encounters seeing as we have no guarantee whether your experience is a good or bad thing. I've definitely seen demons myself. While I think the Catholic church and Protestant churches are justified in mostly condemning non-sanctioned spiritual practices, it's been standard in Christianity for so long now people have forgotten why these things are prohibited in the first place which means they really have no way of convincing people they shouldn't go on DMT drug trips.
Quick note on Tibet, you're right in that they were a people that embraced a truly demonic spiritual worldview. On a material level the lamas were the head of an oppressive theocracy that enslaved >90% of the population. They employed torture, decapitations of limbs and some say even cannibalism. The peaceful "shangri-la" image of Tibet comes from anti-China US government propaganda. However shangri-la is a real place and was an awful, brutal place. The current Dali lama had thousands of slaves and thousands of pounds of silver and gold while the rest of the population was near starvation. Tibetan bhuddism is highly romanticized and should be avoided spirituality.
Rolo, could you do a column or podcast delving more deeply into Marcion's arguments? I find myself suspicious of any church after my experiences with the Evangelical movement. Your metaphysical arguments have challenged many of my beliefs and confirmed suspicions that I have held for a long time. Watching people "slain in the spriit" or speaking tongues made me really uncomfortable, like goosebumps, skin crawling, and wanting to flee from the room. People should tread lightly into these "higher dimensions." The schizophrenia of the Old Testament YHWH and New Testament merciful loving God who identifies with us through Christ has always bothered me. How can an infallible, omnipotent, and omniscient "god" suddenly change completely.
I don't have a lot of solid data to add to this discussion. But I think it's worth putting my two cents in...
My understanding of why so much magical/mystical teaching and writing is "coded into art" or difficult to understand is that these subjects have almost always been illegal on Earth. Thus, a certain amount of the warnings contained in conventional religions about magic and mysticism stem simply from a dogmatic belief that they are dangerous.
There is a strong reason to believe that this sense of the dangerousness of spiritual pursuits is "built in" to the psyche of most of us, often to the extent that approaching these subjects too closely will result in bad physical reactions.
However, with the help of a few people who have broken through this psychic barrier, we can obtain some simpler understandings of how all this came about.
For me, and for many who have either experienced it or believe those who have, is that the psyche is the carrier of both the personality and the mind, and is separable from the body.
When a "spiritual being" operates without a body, it often cannot be detected by those who have beceome trapped in bodies and identify as bodies, and not as spiritual beings. Can you imagine, then, how frightening such a bodiless (or "free") being would be to an individual or group that only know themselves as bodies? They did, in fact, using electronics and similar technologies, develop ways to trap "free" beings and force them into bodies. That is the situation we have now on Earth.
From the viewpoint of a society composed of "free" beings, a lot of considerations about "good" and "bad" fall away. I think we can consider that a spectrum of behaviors and attitudes from "bad" to "good" exists regardless of the spiritual condition of a society.
The viewpoint of a society composed of "meat bodies" (like ours) forces us to take "good" and "bad" very seriously, because murdering a body becomes "bad" and protecting a body becomes "good." In such a society, "spiritual" experiences become suspect if not actually seen as dangerous to the survival of the group. We should keep in mind that such attitides still exist and are very strong, even though we consider ourselves "modern" because we no longer burn witches.
A very wide variety of "spiritual" experiences is possible. What is a "higher reality" beyond simply recognizing that we are spiritual beings and can remember our past life experiences? What are "higher abilities" beyond the ability to separate from the body at will, or operate without one entirely, or communicate telepathically with animals?
Is does help, I think, to understand the situation if one is aware of the full range of spiritual experience that has already been discovered and put into use on Earth. There are many people who DO communicate telepathically with animals. There are many people who DO leave their bodies and "fly around." There are many people who DO practice remote viewing with the result that several seriously important "government secrets" have been blown apart.
Can you imagine how threatened the Earthly power structure feels about these developments? What would they do to reverse this trend? Who would they be willing to cooperate with to achieve this?
Thus, when you go there you WILL BE fought, either directly or indirectly using "guilt by association" or other techniques.
Sheldrake and many others are trying to jump across rocks sticking out of a rushing river in the hopes that they will get across. Many fall in and are swept away. Who has taken the time and effort to "build a bridge" across that river so that many could eventually cross it? I only know of Hubbard. There may be others.
The "universal mind" is an interesting phenomenon that is used by remote viewers and possibly many others. It doesn't mean we are "really all one." But it does mean that we are much more connected than we realize we are. And indeed, there are those who can remember back to a time when we WERE "all one." But that was so long ago that its relevance is solving today's problems is questionable.
One "solution" for understanding evil (or at least psychopathy) lies in the field of past lives and the phenomenon of the collective fear of free beings, or even just powerful beings. I dedicated this lifetime to obtaining a better understanding of human violence and how to handle it. I feel very lucky that I achieved that goal, even if only intellectually. I wish many more would join me!
interesting about the person who was depressed due to a family member having been a nazi officer.... had the germans won wwii.... wouldn't have been this depression... another example of the power of war propaganda and the damage of its extended use.... a cost we can't measure
interesting about the person who was depressed due to a family member having been a nazi officer.... had the germans won wwii.... wouldn't have been this depression... another example of the power of war propaganda and the damage of its extended use.... a cost we can't measure
These podcasts are fun,looking forward to the next one.
Quick question,have you developed any latent faculties or are you generally avoiding that at this stage?
As honorable ambassador of french wing of Slavland, I strongly condemn the satanic use of podcast. especially without possibilities of subtites (contrary to youtube video).
Audiopodcasts are the work of Satan !